BAM! The official episode title page! Yes, that’s a real explosion (naturally) although Max-The-Artist jazzed it up a bit. I knew I should have thrown in more matchsticks.
Messing with time apparently gives Nantaje butterflies.
The question of what theoretically happens after you change history has always been a matter of fun debate. If you alter time so that an event never happened – do you remember what it was? It never happened, after all. On the other hand, if the event was your motivation for messing with time in the first place, wouldn’t you know that? And how about other changes directly and indirectly related to the time meddling? For instance, due to whatever was changed in the past, one of the unexpected results is that you suddenly no longer have a sibling. They were never even born. Do you know that? Or is that just the new reality?
It’s one thing if you yourself go back into the past to change things – but if all you send is a warning and suddenly things are different, then wouldn’t that just be the way it always was?
It’s all a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff.
Unless you have a Spirit Guide. The Maori apparently believe that Letoa’s Manaia, for instance, exists mainly outside our dimension, and what appears in three dimensions to the matakite is only a fragment; rather as though a human were sitting on a piece of paper inhabited by Flatlanders. The two-dimensional beings would see the outlines of a butt, and that would represent a human to them.
Bob goes straight for the elegant analogy.
Anyway, for the purposes of our comic, I’m extending that extra-dimensional aspect to all Spirit Guides, including Nantaje’s Bacho. (Sophie is a ghost, not a Spirit Guide – more on that later.) Among other things, Spirit Guides are like offline storage; an external hard drive, if you will. You may crash the main reality matrix, but the Spirit Guide will retain the information of the now-vanished timeline so you, at least, will know about the change. And thus you’ll know what do about the next time machine you encounter. AGM-114 Hellfire missile gas explosion right up the Tardis. It’s the only way to be sure.
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Bobservations
In Charge
I’ve been a boss a couple of times. Technically I’m one now, but since I’m self-employed, about all I can tell you is that my boss is a jerk.
Oh, and that his employee is an idiot.
But I’ve been in charge of an animation production or two, and although the titles varied, they all involved having to make some tough decisions. Nothing that involved blowing up an occupied house, thank goodness. But I was put in charge of a troubled production at one point, in which I represented the client (who was paying the production company to produce a series) and against my advice, the client first insisted on going with a company that I knew to be risky. Most production companies who bid on a job have reasonable qualifiers. The price is dependent on the number of characters, number of locations, number of props/vehicles that have to be created, a limited number of changes, etc. This company not only gave the lowest bid, they flat out promised the client he could have “anything he wanted.” They could do anything. No restrictions.
To his credit, my client was aware that they were blowing smoke up his ass, but he had a bevy of lawyers on standby and assumed he could simply sue the company into doing the production at a loss.
Instead, the company managed to get almost 80% of the budget out of him up front (I was not privy to the financial transactions or I would have screamed) and then four months into the production, declared bankruptcy and shut down. I came to work one day and the axe was falling with repeated thuds and we were all wading through the blood of the slain.
Fortunately the artists were all skilled and were promptly hired at a different firm (the one I had recommended in the first place; and where the production and I ultimately ended up in any case.)
But the storyboard artists were screwed.
See, we’d contracted with a number of freelance storyboard artists to do boards for the show. This was still the era where boards were drawn on big 11×17 sheets of paper, and they ran about 250 pages apiece. A solid month’s hard work for a good artist. Each page was thick with Scotch tape and Wite-Out, and copying them was expensive – take something like that to Kinko’s and they’d charge you a hundred bucks. The studio had machines that could do the copying, but it wasn’t a priority. So most board artists brought in their originals and dropped them off.
Several of them had done this. None of them had been paid yet. And the entire studio had been seized by the court, with the Sheriff’s department locking everything down as “assets” for auction. Including the original boards, of which no copies had been made.
Now, the client – the person I represented – was not at fault. He’d paid the company a big chunk of cash to be used for paying storyboard artists. But even assuming we could get the boards out via court, he was under no obligation to pay the board artists. They had contracted with the production company, not him. And the money was gone.
Now, by rights, what I should have told the board artists was: “Tough cheese. Get in line for pennies on the dollar. Eventually. If you are lucky.” That was what I was being paid for. But see, since I was in charge of trying to get the production done, I had personally chosen these people. They had dealt with me. They had trusted me. So I did the only thing I could think of.
Using my spare passkey, I sneaked into the locked-down production facility late at night via the back door (the armed security guard was at the front) and stole all the original storyboards from the file cabinets in the production offices, ramming them down the front of the overalls I’d worn for the purpose. I was just finishing when the guard spotted me and chased me through the facility with gun drawn. Thank goodness he didn’t actually shoot me. I burst out the back door and flung myself over a wall, and the guard decided he was through. Since the boards were inside my clothes my hands were empty, and he probably assumed I hadn’t taken anything.
But I was able to give the boards back to the original artists, with instructions to pretend that they hadn’t turned them in yet. And when we got the production moved to the new facility, they were able to turn the boards in again and actually get paid.
I noticed that they had all made copies this time.
Now, this was, in many ways, the wrong thing to do. Aside from the B&E, the client (my boss) had to pay twice for the boards, and I should have been on his side, not the artists’. However, we did get the boards back much faster that way, and the artists were able to make rent, feed their kids, all those little things that bring home the painful reality of corporation-level bad business dealings.
So yes, it was the wrong thing to do. But I’d do it again.
In a heartbeat.
— Bob out
Artist’s Notes:
Guess who was keeping watch in the getaway vehicle. Oh, and it was in broad daylight, not late at night.
-Max
:Slow clap: Ninja Bob in, “Paying the artists, Forward”
Hanging Chad jokes? In 2016? Will we *never* be rid of them?!
Welp, that is one way to make certain he can’t warn himself about what is comming.
Did an agency of the US Govt just do a drone strike on a US citizen, within the borders of the US, who’s crime was cheating at the lottery (albeit in a new way)?
They didn’t care about the lottery. They cared about the time machine and the knowledge of how to create it. They’re the Unusual and Dangerous Development Division.
And as far as the rest of the country knows, that was a tragic gas explosion. Shame really. Guess the guy’s winning streak ran out.
Oh, grasp the whole ‘UD3 decides what’s best, and they won’t let little things like laws get in their way’. Really looking forward to how Letoa is going to react to that once she gets out of training and put (back) into the field, given that is pretty much her axe to grind with Countdown. Being a law unto himself.
To be fair to them, if someone creates something which could destroy the fabric of reality, cause the extinction of the human race, end the universe itself, or something similar, do you really want to wait 10 or 20 years for Congress to dither its way around to passing a relevant law before you put a stop to it? Probably not the best idea.
It’s all just fun and games until somebody destroys the universe.
Yet, it is inferred, such technology has been used in the past without Armageddon occurring. Technology always affects a culture in ‘some’ way. Usually the changes are small, incremental. Less often, the changes are broader. The internet and wireless communications are two examples of technology fundamentally affecting how people interact; a new paradigm.
But this technology isn’t nearly a ‘world ender’ on par with nuclear weapons. Classify it. National Secrets Act. Its unauthorized use seems fairly easy to detect, after all. But killing people when their ideas are seen as a threat to the status quo is a hallmark of some of the worst governments in history.
How is time travel not a world ender on a par with nukes? It’s much, much worse. This initial application is not, but all it takes a a little expansion on the concept, and somebody goes back to the Jurrassic, steps on a bug, and HUMANITY NEVER EXISTS. Even nukes don’t kill everybody in the past! Once this tech gets out, it only takes one nut who decides humanity “doesn’t deserve to ever have existed”. I guarantee 100% there will be that nut. Killing people who are a clear and present danger to the *survival of humanity* is a hallmark of anybody who is remotely sane. I guarantee that this “scientist” realized the danger, and he thought it was worth it to satisfy his personal greed for cash. Don’t even try to compare this to some real-life government killing someone for an unpopular idea – not even remotely comparable.
And classifying information never is effective in permanently suppressing it.
I guess it depends whether the comic holds the Novikov Self-Consistency principle to be true. If it does, then world/universe ending paradoxes are impossible. I have to say, just dropping a drone strike on someone who’s built a limited time machine seems both wrong and unwise… But then I suppose no-one ever said UD3 were the good guys, merely the official guys. If it turns out the good Doctor wasn’t at home or had a backup plan then UD3 may have made things substantially worse for themselves.
Again – These drone things are scary: Pakistan.
You can’t fight back. It’s like another state has professional killers set on random people who don’t care whom else they kill, too, in spite of your state having asked them to stop it.
And not everyone has an eagle at hand
Ok, got it now. One must use the “a href” tag like in usual HTML, not as described under “NOTE – You can use these HTML tags and attributes:” Hope I remember until next time.
FYI to everyone: Multiple links in comments are flagged by our anti-spam software and held for moderation. But yes, drones. Sometimes when I’m out in the Mojave near Edwards doing effects they’ll send an unarmed Predator over to see what I’m up to. It cruises overhead, decides I’m okay, flies low overhead just to remind me to watch my ass, and then leaves again. Just a bit freaky.
Maybe if “your state” would stop harboring and funding terrorism and stop imprisoning those heroes who fight it, their request for the strikes to stop would be met with more consideration. Nations have attacked their enemies wherever they were at for as long as there have been nations, nobody seemed to much care before, but suddenly when the method becomes an unmanned drone, that’s worse somehow in some unspecified way?
Thing is, what the government does is not in the control of the civilians who are losing their lives because of it. As far as why it’s a problem now, it’s because the government can’t even give an accurate tally of who all they’ve killed with drone strikes, and when asked if they were all terrorists simply used a more broad label of “appropriate targets.” That, combined with the fact that. due to the way information spreads, more people now can see that there is more to an enemy nation than “those evil bastards,” and civilian casualties become a much bigger deal.
it would also be “worse somehow in some unspecified way” if a sniper commonly known to be put in place by “them” would shoot grenades onto a crowded market place to kill one or a few terrorists. Such a thing is not excusable. Or, while we are at it, a certain state’s army dropping bombs onto a hospital that was used by Doctors Without Borders. In that light, your seriousness about any request to stop such & similar attacks to be met with more consideration is in doubt. By me at least.
I hope that was quite a while ago, Bob. Bankruptcy Court Fraud is a Federal offence with a 15 year statute of limitations.
1999.
Riiiiiiiight. 😉
> FYI everyone: …
Lucky me that you have such a system. Sorry for creating a mess – and many thanks for the cleanup!
> … Just a bit freaky.
You need an eagle.
Perhaps more srsly, are the Predators marked so you know they are the “good guys” or at least the ones with law on their side? Otherwise they could be terrorists as well, wanting to check out the competition.
About the time traveler who removes a certain event from history: That’s why I firmly believe that it is impossible by laws of nature and/or whatnot to change one’s own history. If time travel may be possible by any means so that you can make any difference at you target time, you spawn the universe. If you manage to time-travel yourself into the selected time, you vanish from your actual time-space and don’t exist then/there anymore from that point on, and that’s all. The person who time-traveled may live another life in another (spawned) time at will but whatever he/she does will have no effect on the time-space he/she came from.
SF can really be educating… there’s the funny short story “Thus We Frustrate Charlemagne” by R. A. Lafferty, giving hints(*), and “Up the Line” by Robert Silverberg for the full package. Since then the impossibility of time travel into one’s own past or future has become some kind of pet peeve for me.
(*): Also the hint that basically nothing changed for them but their numbers, at first they are 9 who do it, after the point where they changed the past and make it better, it takes 12 to do it, and after they made it worse, it takes only three of them to (un)do it. Somehow I found that interesting…
Actually, it might be impossible to time travel due to physics. Specifically, the rules that Matter=Energy and that you cannot create or destroy energy.
If M+E must = 1 at all times, time travel creates the situation where the time you left is suddenly M+E=1-U and the time you arrive is now M+E=1+U. Potentially, this means the universe rips apart.
Are there ways around this? Yes, mostly involving using anti-matter or anti-energy to create a U-U situation to keep M+E=1. This doesn’t help the time you left, however, as that would be -U-U. The only thing that would help there is if you return to the exact same picosecond you left, or you send a compensating amount of mass back to take your place.
So for time travel to work, we might need something that tosses out one of the fundamental laws of the universe as we understand it. Personally, I find that much more interesting than more wibbling about paradox
That would be a relief 🙂 Now we need to convince Stephen Hawking… at least to tell us he wasn’t serious…
What about sending things that aren’t matter through time?
Possibilities being consciousness, or this comic being what it is, the soul? It would be difficult to interact with the time at that point unless you had a vessel for said matter-less existence, but still.
All energy has mass, even if it is nearly immeasurable; an example from established physics would be electrons, which have a mass of 9.10938356 × 10-31 kilograms. It’s not much, but bundle enough of those together and it starts adding up eventually. 🙂
Hopefully they checked first to see if he didn’t have it in a basement bunker, or fail safes: ‘At This day take the machine to a U-Haul storage bin and invest in fire insurance immediately.’
Most property insurance policies have a null period before they take effect, a detail that has screwed over many an insurance fraud arson plot.
See: time travel. Just because you can only send back a message a certain distance doesn’t mean you can’t keep relaying it back further. The insurance was probably purchased the same week the machine was turned on.
The Immutable Law of Time Travel: Time Travel works EXACTLY the way in needs to work for the story you’re in.
I’m kind of on the fence concerning credits or word effects that look almost solid. I KNOW they’re what all the cool KIDS are into now, but I keep expecting them to fall on things or (in the case of the above page) come flinging out and breaking my computer screen.
“My beige Yugo’s been crushed by a giant letter P! WTF?”
Troublemaker. Max actually didn’t want a sound effect at all; I felt it needed one so I stuck it in after he turned in the final art, then I kept trying to find a color that sold it but didn’t detract from the actual title. I ended up trying to give it a solid appearance that would hopefully accentuate the feeling of flying debris. Max would have done it better, but like I said, difference of opinion there.
In general I agree with you; this page was kind of a special case.
I expect Max to send me a “NEENER” text shortly.
He may actually be referring to my “Hard Target” title text- HAND LETTERED for all y’all
Nah, I’m talkin’ about the “Boom”.
Yep, just got a “Neener” text from Max.
IANAL, but…
If the artists had not been paid for their art, it is still theirs. Since it is theirs but in the possession of the court, the court is in the wrong (possessing stolen property). You got the property back to its owners, on their behalf. They had the right to do so (and eventually could have proven so in court, long after it would have done anyone any good), but they did not possess the means, which you did.
You did well!
Yeah, you’re not a lawyer. The artists have to prove that they haven’t been paid (you know, with the good records they were keeping along with the copies of the storyboards). If they can’t prove that, they don’t get squat–the boards are part of the assets of the seized company. And even if they can prove the non-payment, they still have to wait for final adjudication.
Similarly, just because someone left you something in their will doesn’t mean you get it the day after the funeral. Probate can go on for [I]years[/I].
Probate and bankruptcy (heck, property law in general) is where the legal system is at its most medieval: filled with baroque tradition and addicted to ritualistic procedures above all.
Therefore, always get anything in writing, save all your records and know who you’re dealing with. The Better Business Bureau exists for a reason.
NB: as I said earlier, Bob committed a Federal Felony and a legal tort in stealing the boards and making his client pay for them twice. Personally, I consider the money an Idiot Tax for not locking the payments into an escrow account (or not listening to Bob in the first place–see above note about knowing who you are dealing with).
I think in the end it wasn’t the ethical thing to do, but given that the client seemingly had the money to spare and freelance artists likely did not, and someone was going to get screwed regardless it was probably the moral thing to do. Even that is a little tricky though. It’s basically taking money from someone who did nothing wrong but could afford it, to give to people who had worked for it but didn’t get paid who likely couldn’t afford it. So ya, I stand by my judgement. Not the ethical thing to do, but the moral thing to do.
It was stealing, which is not moral. It was therefore Illegal, immoral, unethical but probably not fattening, given the exercise. The entity that should’ve been stuck was the people who filed bankruptcy, not Bob’s client.
But it’s a dead issue, so I’ll just content myself with asking Bob to be more diligent in the future.
Kinda need to know here if the physicist was home or not. I re-read and can’t tell from the text. But the answer will allow the jury to issue a verdict on UD3. So far they’re an adversary, but not even an enemy, for certain. In fact, although they will be trouble for our friends, they could even be said to be more or less on the same side. But if the physicist is now deceased, then they are clearly, at least bad guys, and possibly evil. The time machine problem could certainly have been handled without an execution–heck, they didn’t off the Greenpeace scientist, just took him into “custody”. If they consider inventing a time machine and defrauding the lottery to be a capital offence then they are, um, not nice people. (oh, I suppose we might have known already, but was it clearly defined who ordered the kill shot on Max in the crazy dude’s apartment?)
Agent Scales of the UD3.
“Reality Matrix” by John Dalmas. I figure the “reality matrix” mention in the Bobservations was off-hand, but this is a great book, and creates a really creative universe to ponder.
Several of the equations which describe time travel (also Faster Than Light travel) produce +/- answers. In other words, there are always two valid solution sets. If these equations actually describe how time travel works, then every event unfolds with two values. The future splits into two realities. Because the past also works this way, it seems that our present can be described as the result of one or both of two distinct pasts. If the multiverse exists, it is incredibly dense with diverging and converging time-lines. On the average, however, the low-energy solutions probably dominate phase space. So, yes, a time travel machine would be disruptive. However, because it requires immense mass-energy to operate (and probably exotic matter – for instance negative mass) it would be easy to detect and to target.
Wow. That seems a little harsh, guys! Geezus!
“so you, at least, will know about the change”
This assumes 2 things – 1) that the Spirit Guide tells you, and 2) does not abuse this privilege by making up time-based threats to accomplish other goals.
I assume that Spirit Guides Don’t Lie, By Omission or Commission, as a rule. I gleefully await the exception to this rule.